Someone told me on facebook today that Islam is the one and only true religion. Caming to me with a few scientific proof ect. Not that I want to be rude or anything, but I believe no religion is 100% accurate. Look things at both sides: Religion and Science. Spirituality is in between. A mistake most modern religions make is to force people to believe in 1 thing and not let them explore by themselves.

das ist why i choose to believe that they all have there own way of interpreting a main creator why would a supreme being align himself with a man made religion i just follow god and the teachings of christ but i do like some of the things buddha said i believe they both came from the same thing because there teachings are almost exactly alike

What I've been thinking. ~('w')~
Religious people are heavily brainwashed by their manmade books.

By religious you mean amish people and orthodox people or every religious person? (To R9)

most religious people ~('w')~

gustanak wrote:

By religious you mean amish people and orthodox people or every religious person? (To R9)

Amish people are Christians.

But not every christian is amish, or yes?

Anyway, what i meant wit those examples is if he meant the people who believe their religion is the true thing in life and dont want to believe anything else.

Like Carrie's mom!

That is not entirely true, Islam allows its follower to question, that is why we are given minds to think. As an example, Im a geologist, and there's this theory in geology called Isostosy, which was introduced in 1889 by C.E Dutton. 

(for info read on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isostasy)

This were mention in Quran during Prophets Muhammad (S.A.W) times [way back before any technologies ever existed to prove this]:


“And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, 
lest it should shake with them.”
(Qur’an 21:31)

Earth is expanding fiz.

fiz192 wrote:

The question is, do you have prove that it is wrong?[/left]

I have an interesting example.

And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance. Surah 15:19

Now when I read that line in my Quran (in fact I have two which have both translate this line a little differently from each other) the way I interpreted that is that the world is flat, rolled out like a carpet and pinned down by mountains. Which would have been the common belief in the sixth century (although still wrong.)

When I have raised this line with Muslim friends the answer I get 90% of the time is that I have misinterpreted this line and that Allah means he's spread it in the way one spreads a dinner table or lays out a picnic. Then there is another 10% (usually wahabi) who say that there is not allegory in the Quran, that its literal and that the world is in fact flat.

I'd be interested to know what your perspective is on this Fiz.

Mark Mauvais wrote:

fiz192 wrote:

The question is, do you have prove that it is wrong?[/left]

And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance. Surah 15:19

I'd be interested to know what your perspective is on this Fiz.

Hi Mark,

well Im not really good with arabic to understand what it actually meant  but I had a looked at it from


There is a discussion on the meaning of -dahaha in that verse and it could be interpreted in several ways
and after a bit of researched it can be interpreted as
:Rolled it out, expanded it, evened it out, or made egg-shaped.

if dahaha actually means egg-shaped, it would describes the oblate shape of the Earth which refers to longer E-W distance and shorter N-S distance.

if dahaha means spread, in geological understanding, it would means that it was layered around the core, the mantle and the crust.

if dahaha means expanded, it would make sense to link with the following 2 verses.  I would take the whole story to form its understanding rather than within its sentence. If that is the case


If this verses are combined to form a story, the word -dahaha would be  translated as expansion. This would make sense with the theory on how our understanding of the earth formation.

(due to laziness :Pi copied this from a website that beautifully described earth formation. See http://www.universetoday.com/58177/earth-formation/ for more info)



To reply to your question: Each meaning of dahaha actually describes the earth description well and can be intepretted in different perspective. This is the best answer that I could provide.. (wallahuaklam)

P/S: Im not sure im qualified enough (on my Arabic understanding) to interpret it well. Apologies for that Mark

and you have your own quran? you takes time to understand it before arguing it. you have raised my respect for you further Mark

and you have your own quran? you takes time to understand it before arguing it. you have raised my respect for you further Mark

That's a great answer brother Fiz, I'm pleased you took the time to answer it as well as you have.

I always say that if God did right a book for all people for all of time then it would be written in maths rather than words because language and words are subjective and different people can interpret it in different ways. You can't say "I think that 2+2=7" you will just be wrong.

I have a book called Eculids elements, which was written in Ancient Greece in 300bc, so some 2300 years ago. Its about maths, geometry in particular and what is amazing about it is that every single word in the book, the rules of geometry are still factually accurate. A triangle always adds up to 180 degrees and there is no way of misinterpreting that.

Indeed. Words, pictures, songs, poet are all subjective. I guess (if its possible) portraying the author expression or emotions would helps to clarify the meaning even better

nowforever13 wrote:

das ist why i choose to believe that they all have there own way of interpreting a main creator why would a supreme being align himself with a man made religion i just follow god and the teachings of christ but i do like some of the things buddha said i believe they both came from the same thing because there teachings are almost exactly alike

Even Jesus Christ didn't come to teach religion but the truth of his heavenly father as it is written in the holy bible. Religion was a creation of man not God which doesn't always co-inside with the word of God. This is why so many people are confessed and mislead.

guarnet wrote:

nowforever13 wrote:

 Even Jesus Christ didn't come to teach religion but the truth of his heavenly father as it is written in the holy bible.  Religion was a creation of man not God which doesn't always co-inside with the word of God.  This is why so many people are confessed and mislead.  

hm, that does make sense, i also find it that all of the big prophets in the bible such as christ elijah isaiah and moses all had the powers of the elements, i take it that they wanted to teach humanity the limitless boundaries our powers have

Yeah possibly.

Out of all the  traditional theistic religions Buddhism is the one that makes the most sense to me. But likewise, no religion is 100%. Still, you got to remember that each contains truth though. I think they're like puzzles. An example is Hermeticism(although it's more of a philosophy). The supreme being in this belief is the deity of wisdom which is a mixture of the Greek god Hermes and the Egyptian god Toth.

Interesting.

There is no religion higher than truth - Helena Blavatsky

Hermes was more a divine messenger than seen as a Supreme Godhead figure.

Hermes or Thoth prescribed the way back to an immortal state.

He then disappeared with all the other Gods, to become a myth only.


I think true divinity is somewhat above the scope of our human mental faculties, though I do believe in God and Goddess, and wish they were more around here.

Ug discussions like this temp me so much, so I'll try to stay out because I don't want to be a dick lol. I agree with Mark about God and math which reminds me of Albert Einsteins writings on God but I see some truths in all religions.

“Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: It transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural and spiritual; and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity." Albert Einstein

“If there is any religion that would cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism." Albert Einstein

“A human being is part of the whole, called by us ‘Universe’; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest – a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty. Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security.” Albert Einstein