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PostSubject: Free will or determinism   Free will or determinism EmptyTue Dec 17, 2013 5:25 am

What do you think? Are your actions truly free? or does the invisible hand of destiny guide our behavior?
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PostSubject: Re: Free will or determinism   Free will or determinism EmptyTue Dec 17, 2013 7:04 am

I believe there's a guidance. I don't know how to exactly say it. It's more like my intuition. Gut sense guiding me. I'm free to go my own ways though.
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PostSubject: Re: Free will or determinism   Free will or determinism EmptyMon Dec 30, 2013 12:53 am

"If the moon, in the act of completing its eternal way around the earth, were gifted with self-consciousness, it would feel thoroughly convinced that it was traveling its way of its own accord on the strength of a resolution taken once and for all. So would a Being, endowed with higher insight and more perfect intelligence, watching man and his doings, smile about man’s illusion that he was acting according to his own free will." - Albert Einstein

I'm with Albert regarding Free Will - don't get me wrong though, I'm all against his misconception in physics that created some of the biggest jokes in science like black holes and neutron stars. Pfft..

Fatalism. Predetermination. It is my belief that every single thought or action we make is in fact all predetermined by the universe or the greatest being, many people call God.

For example, I chose to have a go at telekinesis 4 days ago and decided to join this forum. These decisions were clearly made by me, no doubt, but they were inevitable.

This way of viewing the world may seem cruel because there are a lot of people who are suffering, suffering right at this very moment, and they are suffering for a reason if this view is correct.

Assuming this view is correct, I can only think of one possible reason for their sufferings; they are there to suffer for the entire humanity - i.e. sacrifice. For example, the existence of injustice in the world that I hear through media (mainstream or YouTube) drives me to find the right answer and solution by understanding the world little by little (apart from my innate curiosity) and it continuously strengthens my will to change the world. I'm sure there are others like me who are influenced by injustice in this way - including you Mark. Wink So in the end, without their sufferings, great histories could never be made to teach us humanity , which I believe is what the greatest being or God wants.

In short, we are all insignificant compared to the entire humanity and so some of us are chosen to suffer and some of us are chosen to do other stuffs like changing the world - the latter of which I believe are us the psychics Mark.

PS believing in this view, I can't help but stay humble and be grateful for being chosen by the universe/greatest being/God. ... I still feel sad for those who are not chosen. Really sad.
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PostSubject: Re: Free will or determinism   Free will or determinism EmptyMon Dec 30, 2013 3:39 am

if i against my intuition follow my desire, thats free will, if i follow my intuition thats follow my higher(true) self.
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PostSubject: Re: Free will or determinism   Free will or determinism EmptyThu Jan 16, 2014 2:22 am

I have to add this because you said yourself "In mathematics, two angles that are said to coincide fit together perfectly. The word coincidence does not describe luck or mistakes. It describes that which fits together perfectly."

Now, what about the correlation between the Illuminati cards and what we have seen (9-11, Obama hand for gun control, and other stuffs predicted in 1995)? What about the correlation between what's written in religious texts, like Bible and Quran, and what we have seen?

The logic is simple. If things can be predicted, then it means things are already predetermined for us.

The illusion is based on questions like 'What if I now randomly decide to do this or that?' - then my question would be What if everything you would choose to do was already "known" rather than determined by someone (God) or something (universe/fate)? You can still dislike the idea that we are under control while believing in determinism because we are in control, we indeed do have the free will, but it's just that God or the universe already know how we will act no matter how random our actions may be. Now then that would explain the possible omnipotence of God as well - it's like we could never possibly understand what God thinks, although I think I almost got it (read what I wrote above, it all makes sense).

fun fun deduction ~('w')~
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PostSubject: Re: Free will or determinism   Free will or determinism EmptyThu Jan 16, 2014 4:48 am

I refuse to believe that my actions are predetermined. If its an illusion its damn convincing. I believe that my actions are chosen by me and that my actions alter my own personal future.

"No fate but what you make"

I've had visions about the future that I have prevented from happening. Thats because I (and you too) are able to effect the future by our actions. Just as the man you are today is determined by the actions of your past, the man you will become in the future will be determined by your actions today.

Some people believe that all possible variations of every decision we ever make is played out in some kind of alternate reality.

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PostSubject: Re: Free will or determinism   Free will or determinism EmptyThu Jan 16, 2014 4:59 am

in a recent study it has been seen that when you remember stuff persay your 5th birthday you had at burger king when some random kid threw a milkshake and hit you in the face and then suddenly there was a massive food fight in burger king ( just an example i am using) well scientist have tested once every year to see if that memory may have changed like 2 years later you remember that milkshake being a burger and 2 years after that you remember it being a whole tray and so on till you turned 20 you remember some kid crying on the floor because you threw the shake at him instead of the other way that actually happened but your freind who was there remembers a whole bowl of chili being thrown and anouther claims nothing was ever thrown 15 years later after the actual incident happened, you create your own reality in your mind you layer one memory with layers of other memories and they just coincide together to one big ass event that happened and some of the events that took place where years apart everyone has a different reality they make weather that milkshake was an alien spaceship that came landed in BK and took your parents away or weather you just up and remember time flying by the human brain is quite an amazing thing it can manipulate almost all kinds of energy create alternate realities,even make up whole universes of smaller beings in your own mind
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PostSubject: Re: Free will or determinism   Free will or determinism EmptyThu Jan 16, 2014 5:29 am

nowforever13 wrote:
in a recent study it has been seen that when you remember stuff persay your 5th birthday you had at burger king when some random kid threw a milkshake and hit you in the face and then suddenly there was a massive food fight in burger king ( just an example i am using) well scientist have tested once every year to see if that memory may have changed like 2 years later you remember that milkshake being a burger and 2 years after that you remember it being a whole tray and so on till you turned 20 you remember some kid crying on the floor because you threw the shake at him instead of the other way that actually happened but your freind who was there remembers a whole bowl of chili being thrown and anouther claims nothing was ever thrown 15 years later after the actual incident happened, you create your own reality in your mind you layer one memory with layers of other memories and they just coincide together to one big ass event that happened and some of the events that took place where years apart everyone has a different reality they make weather that milkshake was an alien spaceship that came landed in BK and took your parents away or weather you just up and remember time flying by  the human brain is quite an amazing thing it can manipulate almost all kinds of energy create alternate realities,even make up whole universes of smaller beings in your own mind

Yes, this is true.

There was an experiment where Scientists showed volunteers a video of a car driving down a street and afterwards they asked the volunteers "how fast was the car going when it passed the barn?" and people would answer. Its interesting because the video showed no barn yet the participants brains added them to their memories.

You can induce false memories in other poeple by asking them leading questions, if a police man asked you (a witness to a crime) "what color was the gun?" your brain automatically imagines you saw a gun and then tries to answer the question even though the suspect may not have had a gun.

Our memories are false, they are recreated after the event.
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PostSubject: Re: Free will or determinism   Free will or determinism EmptyThu Jan 16, 2014 6:22 am

ive read up on that study also its quite amazing at what your mind does, BUT there are some people who have a natural way around false memories they have what is called a photographic memory and remember things exactly as they where even years after they only saw something one time
my little cousin is like this when she was 1 year old she about sat down in a seat with bugs in it we told her no there nasty bugs in that seat 2 years later she came back and wouldnt go near it because she said we told her there was nasty bugs in it
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PostSubject: Re: Free will or determinism   Free will or determinism EmptyThu Jan 16, 2014 11:47 am

Those studies only apply to those with weak minds.

My memories for example are super objective and awesome ~('w')~

NEVER EVER DISTORT WHAT YOU EXPERIENCED :3 Be the truth
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