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PostSubject: ? ? ? ? ?   ? ? ? ? ? EmptyTue Aug 11, 2015 11:20 pm

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PostSubject: Re: ? ? ? ? ?   ? ? ? ? ? EmptyWed Aug 12, 2015 12:12 am

Would have been better if you or a text to speech voice read the presentation but still thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: ? ? ? ? ?   ? ? ? ? ? EmptyWed Aug 12, 2015 2:45 am

Nice video! I could just already feel myself relaxing as I read.
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PostSubject: Re: ? ? ? ? ?   ? ? ? ? ? EmptyFri Aug 21, 2015 5:01 am

This is good information, and quite useful to understand meditation in relation to bodily functions.
a couple things to correct, or add as spiritual information:

-Minimization of analytical thinking includes pattern seeking and using of words, silence is important because it shouts down logical wording and seeking for coherence. (in similar ways mantras recycle words in repetition for the mind that go beyond thinking, like "infinity" "eternal")
-Problem solving attitude results in the consciousness running on beta frequencies, silence of mind improves alpha awareness, gives you high attention and clarity of perception.
-Your blood current is a good indicator of your energy flow, yet it is not the same.
-Your energy current of nadis goes beyond the physical body.
-prana is related to breathing, but more accurately it has to do with the feeling of expanding and creating a vacuum within you and around yourself.
-In fact if you dominate prana, you won't need to breath; your pranic body merges with your physical body.
-Breathing fundamentally allows your soul to experience an exchange of energy, related to a dimensional self continuously increasing and decreasing in volume.
-There are techniques of breathing depending on the required physical state of mind, some meditations do require specific intervals of breathing and/or forcing air in and/or out.
-It is important to keep consciousness on your breathing and have a continuous relationship with it.
-Your focus is best to be kept on an anticipative sate before your stream of consciousness, so as not to go back to thinking.
-Like a window of discovery were curiosity is not, only awe and grace.
-Meditation is not desire mediated, sometimes it may be necessity, always it will be to exchange insight of and with yourself and infinity.
-Balance is reached by the neutral mind, a place where perspective coexists beyond its contexts. A place where no-form is vibrated.
-Your consciousness expands as you pay attention to the processes that are taking place, as you become aware and coexist continuously with them.
-The purpose of meditation is to grow this capacity to attend beyond the training into everyday practice and living.
-The Bike example works out, you can know how to ride for transportation, for survival purposes, or you can become a biker and master the bike, these are several ways of being.
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PostSubject: Re: ? ? ? ? ?   ? ? ? ? ? EmptySat Aug 22, 2015 2:04 am

-Regarding blood flow and energy, yes as i mentioned it is a good indicator, it just seems important to me that beginners know what they are feeling so they don't get confused.

-I teach Yoga, Prana with capital P is a system of energy movement consisting of 5 zones in your body where vayus gather. prana is specifically one sort of energy that gathers in the region between the solar plexus and your troat (so usually it is confused with breath).

-Stillness is one state and no-breath is another. By no breath i literaly mean no breath Smile

-The subconscious mind and the spirit are different realms, i'm also a psychologist. Brain centered models will tell you the soul has a seat in your brain (the one's who care for the souls, others will tell you consciousness is nothing but brain activity, which is really a brute concept), and if this is accurate then the most probable place is on mircotubules wich are on quantum state.
-The wording is important, what you say has meaning that can get interpreted, so i tell straightforward the soul has an experience of volume exchange as we breath.

-The problem with a general approach to meditation is that it is a flawed one. Meditations have been developed/discovered for thousands of years, and are related with several postures, pranayamas (or breathing techs), vibration (sound), eye locks, mudras (hand seals), all with specific purposes, etc.
-because in reality you are using your energy circuitry in a peculiar manner, even the exact amount of time is important to oversee.
-In a yoga class, specially in Kundalini, you do not teach a general approach and philosophy, you expose the philosophy and show the physical way to get an experience out of this.
-So in reality there is no general approach to breathing, there is a specific one depending the meditation.

-I emphasized the relationship with the breathing as a continuous one, because it is suggested in the presentation that you should slowly let your breath become a natural one.
-what i'm saying is you should have almost a mechanical non natural breathing, which is a conscious, timed, continuous one, literally an act that expands your consciousness. (this applies beyond meditation)

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PostSubject: Re: ? ? ? ? ?   ? ? ? ? ? EmptySat Aug 22, 2015 2:23 am

Your soul and your physical body are but two out of the 10 bodies you actually have and need to train during this lifetime.
You can focus on developing those two, but you will only attain liberation if you reach the tenth gate as you die, that is you exit your physical body through the crown chakra. When you die the only bodies that accompany you are the soul and the subtle body, which carries your soul and retains a sense of mastery or mystery of yourself and the universal game.
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PostSubject: Re: ? ? ? ? ?   ? ? ? ? ? EmptySun Aug 23, 2015 1:39 am

-Well i teach and have also practiced for over ten years, that's my experience and knowledge Smile

-I know what you said, you attempted to draw a line of paralelism on both, but i needed to note that i meant literally what i said and not propose a metaphoroical similarity.

-Well i have experienced no breath state as i am moving, walking and interacting with the world, so that's why i needed to point out that stillness is not the same as no breath and that one doesn't necesaryly lead to or need the other.

-Words and thinking do depend on the mind. Thinking that is in a logical-analytical manner, problem solving state and such. In my experience the soul doesn't think, the mind does, and sometimes as you pointed out the deeper self of spirit manifest on thinking.
-However, more oftern than not, subconscious ideas of the mind (not spirit) roam around and this is why listening to your thoughts while meditating is ill advised.
-The mind works by itself, you can make it your slave, or be a slave of it, because mind wants freedom from spirit it will try to take control. But the mind is also a gift for the soul to act humanly.

-i read carefully, that's why i said, "information to add or corrrect" from the beginning Smile
-Basically what i added was the perspective of soul experiencing a human state, while you explained the perspective of a human being having a spiritual experience. As you can see the information is complementary.

-There are in fact several techniques, as you said, altough not hundreds may i add, ways of attaining similar states of consciousness, however notice that meditation has developed and moved historicaly along an evolution line which resulted in adaptation by different cultures.
-Most forms of meditations stem from Tamil Nadu where Kundalini Yoga originally was developed over generations and mastered by Shiva (and Muruga), a Chittar or Siddhar, from ancient times (over 10,000 years ago).
-This tradition of ancient Yoga (Aaseevaham) was futher researched and altered by other cultures (that developed into religions) after times of the drought. (buddhism, jainism, hiduism... etc.)
-Most techniques of Kundalini Yoga are preserved and have not been lost in translation, thanks to Siddhars.

-No robotic ideas, experience that is, experimentation that is.
-A robot acts and follows what it is instructed to do, a human tries and discovers.

-Breathing techniques are exactly that. Sets of methods to achieve a purpose, i know breathing techniques, their purposes, their applications, this is no theory but fact. This is no philosophy but experience.
-You may want to philosophize about balance but are you experiencing balance, how do you experience balance thorugh breath?
-Tempo is just one of the variables of breathing, if you ignore information you are restraining consciousness not expanding it.

-No breath implies no breath so there is no breathing technique used along the no-breath experience, which is not reduced to astral travel but to actual everyday living.
-Spirits without a physical body don't need techniques to use their physical body.

-Yes of course i have, i have trained them and experienced them all. I'm not comfortable with teaching about what i don't now. i wouldn't be able to speak of any experience or give correct instructions on how to achieve mental, physical and spiritual states.

-Reality is far more complex then what it may seem. That was the short easy to understand version, without any details on the process of crossing the blue aethers Smile

-The objective of this is to expose knowledge as we know, not to achieve a consensus, not to fight over right or wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: ? ? ? ? ?   ? ? ? ? ? EmptyMon Aug 24, 2015 9:41 am

-You cannot be visnu, if you don't even understand he was human, he was an ancient Siddhar, he ascended.
-Then induism came and made him a deva, and created religion around his name.

-Mind your spiritual ego, that your soul is not the same as Lord vishnu's, even thought his avatar may have given you guidance.

-The point remains, no breath applies both while astral projecting, or while everyday walking through the physical plane with your physical body.

-If you practice union of opposites and going beyond duality, why is it that your expression is polarized, and not neutral?

-Yes, both a human experiencing the infinite, the infinite inhabiting a human Smile

-I call it adaptation

-Well if you were vishnu you would know... that gods are ascended humans, that brama is not the first, that vishnu and shiva dance along the pace of infinity.

-Religion and spirituality are very different, in Kundalini Yoga there is no religious practice nor conception.

-Don't be confused, experimentation is the steam of Kundalini Yoga, If you meditate every day doing the same procedure you start to notice what that procedure does exactly.

-I give instructions in an exact manner so that the experience that is achieved can be consistently reproduced over the time.

-I'm not here to "be cool", but to help the family of souls achieve enlightenment Smile

-Again, how do you experience balance through your breath?

-Yes, the tempo you use is the tempo that is affecting your experience. If you change it, you change your experience.

-Spirits without a physical body don't need techniques to use their physical body... without any added interpretation.

-Since experiences can fail, techniques are used to maximize the efficiency of reproduction of the wanted experience, and as such knowledge is gathered.

-I'm not fighting, as i said I'm exposing the knowledge as i know it, but you do have a tonality in your writing that is argumentative as in defensive, so I'm telling you in case you didn't notice.
-Ask any other reader on the forum, and he/she would probably acknowledge that our exchange became a discussion, and for this i apologize.
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You have quite a childish nature for embodying the sustainer aspect.
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