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PostSubject: about the facebook group   Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:33 am

mark,i know of many people (including me) that would like the facebook group to be private. not a secret group but changing it so our friends dont see it. i know that the aim of the group is to atract more people to the paranormal things we talk about so making it a secret group would be a little bit too much. i understand that most of the persons that post things on the group have already developed telekinesis,telepathy,etc. and they arent embarassed to post things that their friend see. i believe that if the group goes private there would be a lot more people posting questions or things. you know that there are a lot more persons in the facebook group than in this page,so i think it would help a lot on the participation of everyone.
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PostSubject: Re: about the facebook group   Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:36 am

and if it is private people can still enter to the group.you just have to accept their request on entering in it
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PostSubject: Re: about the facebook group   Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:30 pm

I hear you buddy. Thats one of the reasons why I made the forum.
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PostSubject: Re: about the facebook group   Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:32 am

yes but the problem is that not everyone that is in the facebook group is in the forum.
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PostSubject: Re: about the facebook group   Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:34 am

i know, thats why we need to keep recruiting them.
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PostSubject: Re: about the facebook group   Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:57 am

okokok. hey and how is the chess thing doing? i feel really happy that you liked the idea
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PostSubject: Re: about the facebook group   Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:37 am

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We humans have a limit as to how strong we can physically become. Body builders and weight lifters can only become so strong until they reach their limit and can physically not become any stronger. Is there also a limit to how far one can go with telekinesis? If yes, what do you think that limit is? if not, why do you think there's not limit when we have limits to how physically strong we humans can become?

Rinki Page well i think we may only condition our mind with limits but can keep breaking them 'slowly' if we really want to ..
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Rinki Page Here's an example of how some people broke their own limits- Erickson frequently drew upon his own experiences to provide examples of the power of the unconscious mind. He was largely self-taught and a great many of his anecdotal and autobiographical teaching stories were collected by Sidney Rosen in the book My Voice Will Go With You. Erickson identified many of his earliest personal experiences as hypnotic or autohypnotic.

Erickson grew up in Lowell, Wisconsin, in a modest farming family and intended to become a farmer like his father. He was a late developer and was both dyslexic and color blind. He overcame his dyslexia and had many other inspirations via a series of spontaneous autohypnotic "flashes of light" or "creative moments", as described in the paper Autohypnotic Experiences of Milton H. Erickson[2]

At age 17, he contracted polio and was so severely paralysed that the doctors believed he would die. In the critical night when he was at his worst, he had another formative "autohypnotic experience".

E: As I lay in bed that night, I overheard the three doctors tell my parents in the other room that their boy would be dead in the morning. I felt intense anger that anyone should tell a mother her boy would be dead by morning. My mother then came in with as serene a face as can be. I asked her to arrange the dresser, push it up against the side of the bed at an angle. She did not understand why, she thought I was delirious. My speech was difficult. But at that angle by virtue of the mirror on the dresser I could see through the doorway, through the west window of the other room. I was damned if I would die without seeing one more sunset. If I had any skill in drawing, I could still sketch that sunset. R: Your anger and wanting to see another sunset was a way you kept yourself alive through that critical day in spite of the doctors' predictions. But why do you call that an autohypnotic experience? E: I saw that vast sunset covering the whole sky. But I know there was also a tree there outside the window, but I blocked it out. R: You blocked it out? It was that selective perception that enables you to say you were in an altered state? E: Yes, I did not do it consciously. I saw all the sunset, but I didn't see the fence and large boulder that were there. I blocked out everything except the sunset. After I saw the sunset, I lost consciousness for three days. When I finally awakened, I asked my father why they had taken out that fence, tree, and boulder. I did not realize I had blotted them out when I fixed my attention so intensely on the sunset. Then, as I recovered and became aware of my lack of abilities, I wondered how I was going to earn a living. I had already published a paper in a national agricultural journal. "Why Young Folks Leave the Farm." I no longer had the strength to be a farmer, but maybe I could make it as a doctor.[3]

Recovering, still almost entirely lame in bed, and unable to speak, he became strongly aware of the significance of non-verbal communication - body language, tone of voice and the way that these non-verbal expressions often directly contradicted the verbal ones.

I had polio, and I was totally paralyzed, and the inflammation was so great that I had a sensory paralysis too. I could move my eyes and my hearing was undisturbed. I got very lonesome lying in bed, unable to move anything except my eyeballs. I was quarantined on the farm with seven sisters, one brother, two parents, and a practical nurse. And how could I entertain myself? I started watching people and my environment. I soon learned that my sisters could say "no" when they meant "yes." And they could say "yes" and mean "no" at the same time. They could offer another sister an apple and hold it back. And I began studying nonverbal language and body language. I had a baby sister who had begun to learn to creep. I would have to learn to stand up and walk. And you can imagine the intensity with which I watched as my baby sister grew from creeping to learning how to stand up.[4]

He began to recall "body memories" of the muscular activity of his own body. By concentrating on these memories, he slowly began to regain control of parts of his body to the point where he was eventually able to talk and use his arms. Still unable to walk, he decided to train his body further by embarking - alone - on a thousand mile canoe trip with only a few dollars. After this grueling trip, he was able to walk with a cane. This experience may have contributed to Erickson's technique of using "ordeals" in a therapeutic context. (See below).

Erickson was an avid medical student, and he was so curious about, and engaged with, psychiatry that he obtained a psychology degree while he was still studying medicine.

Much later, in his fifties, he developed post-polio syndrome, characterized by pain and muscle weakness caused by the chronic over-use of partially paralyzed muscles. The condition left him even more severely paralyzed, but, having been through the experience once before, he now had a strategy for recovering some use of his muscles which he employed again. After this second recovery, he was obliged to use a wheelchair and suffered chronic pain which he controlled with self-hypnosis:

It usually takes me an hour after I awaken to get all the pain out. It used to be easier when I was younger. I have more muscle and joint difficulties now... Recently the only way I could get control over the pain was by sitting in bed, pulling a chair close, and pressing my larynx against the back of the chair. That was very uncomfortable: But it was discomfort I was deliberately creating.

In the early 1950s, anthropologist/cyberneticist Gregory Bateson involved Erickson as a consultant as part of his extensive research on communication. The two had met earlier, after Bateson and Margaret Mead had called upon him to analyse the films Mead had made of trance states in Bali. Through Bateson, Erickson met Jay Haley, Richard Bandler and John Grinder, amongst others, and had a profound influence on them all. They went on to write several books about him.

In 1973, Jay Haley published Uncommon Therapy, which for the first time brought Erickson and his approaches to the attention of those outside the clinical hypnosis community. Erickson's fame and reputation spread rapidly, and so many people wished to meet him that he began holding teaching seminars, which continued until his death.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._Erickson


Marvin Aguinaldo ummmmm

push beyond your limits?


Lauren Griffin Steven hawking is still around even though his doctor said he wouldn't make it


Rinki Page Or push beyond limiting self-imposed fears?


Johnny Aguirre @Marvin I'm asking do you think there are limits and if yes, what is it?

Your advice can be taken for weight lifting and indeed a man might become a little or noticeable stronger but he still has his limits even if he believes he doesn't. No man has ever been so strong as to lift numerous tons. It's just not humanly possible. Do you think it's the same for telekinesis?


Marvin Aguinaldo yes there is

evryone has their limits

same fr telekinesis
it might improve faster if you push yourself beyond its limits
BUT
if you over-use your ability
it might get out of c0ntrol and can bring you to death


Johnny Aguirre @Marvin What do you think the ultimate limit is that once reached it's pretty much the ultimate level no human being can surpass? Do you think people can reach Star Wars, Chronicle, or Carrie level in telekinesis?


Nazir Da Costa Gomez Yes, one can keep developing you mental skill so strong. Physically healty and activities have limits, but I don't think you're mind does. Think of it as the universe.


Nazir Da Costa Gomez *your


Johnny Aguirre @Nazir Thank you for your answer.

If people are capable of reaching Star Wars, Chronicle, Carrie, and X-men level of telekinesis, in your opinion why are there not any records of it? either religious records or neutral records?

I currently only know of a few a records and that's some pagans had stories of being able to levitate many feet in the air. Also, some Catholic stories said one of the priests could levitate and I think another story of a man being able to levitate. Other than that there's nothing else I know of though.


Nazir Da Costa Gomez Nina Kulganina had a strong telekinetic ability in my opinion


Johnny Aguirre @Nazir She was impressive but no where on the level of Chronicle or Star Wars. Mark's telekinesis seems to be more advanced than hers.


Nazir Da Costa Gomez There you have it


Nazir Da Costa Gomez And the Chronicle part will take mostly like 7 years to levitate an apple I would sugest


Do you know of any stories or others who have demonstrated whether on video or not telekinetic abilities on par with Star Wars, Carrie, the X-Men films, and other films?


Nazir Da Costa Gomez No, most others practice more of energy manipulation or light training such as papers and psi-wheels. Mark has trained for like 5 years so for him it's fine to show off. The video I really hated was the one from a guy named TheRealWolfpack. Thought his 2 telekinesis videos were real for short tome. Me in the other hand is like a psychic Sherlock Holmes. I'm experimenting with my psychic abilities(mostly telekinesis). That's why you see me sometimes forcing to move bigger objects. For now I can do it without pushing my mind too hard.


Marvin Aguinaldo >j0hnny

yes u cn

if u train evryday and if you blieve in yourself that you can do it/everything


Johnny Aguirre Thanks for your responses guys.

I'm just curious if we can become so advanced as to be able to lift or move hundreds to thousands of pounds with telekinesis, why aren't there stories of people doing such amazing telekinetic feats like in movies such as X-Men or Chronicle? The only stories I know of that speak of amazing telekinetic feats are self levitation.


Marvin Aguinaldo n chronicle
they gt their powers in a crystal

Nazir Da Costa Gomez Johnny Aguirre Marvin Aguinaldo, it's fictional. In the real world one cannot defy gravity at that pure, perfect limit. That's why transvection/self-levitation is so damn hard too. Meanwhile lucid dreaming you can practice these of course


Marvin Aguinaldo what if we bcame so strong like one of those dudes on x-men and chronicle???
hahahahaha
lol


Johnny Aguirre @Nazir It seems you may very well be correct. There aren't even any records of amazing telekinetic abilities excluding self levitation. It may be because such telekinesis cannot be achieved, it's beyond the human's mind's ability.

So do you think self levitation is the biggest accomplishment that people can achieve?


Rinki Page http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iczBypznIt0


Rinki Page http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MR0UHkyoNc


Rinki Page they say these giant stones to make megalithic structures were moved using group telekinesis and some potion fed to workers by extra terrestrials or the-then-terrestrials who may have migrated to other places of the universe later http://talc.site88.net/mega.htm


Marvin Aguinaldo but my granpa!
he mastered necrokinesis and s other types of kinesis

he cn also create illusions

here
search for the word "anting-anting" in google

if you have that anting-anting you can be so strong like on the psychic films like chronicles


Devin Lee Braden I don't agree with you Johnny Aguirre i don't think there is a limit it just seems like it. But im sure with telekinesis you could move the moon but it would take 2,000 years so you have to live longer if you wanna see more advanced stuff. Jesus was also human & moses look how much they could do!! There's also demons that levitate tables.

Toby Walton no dude, we have no limit, we thought we couldnt reach the moon, look what happened we go there all the time now


Toby Walton thats like saying our limit is the clouds, or telling a little kid he cant do what he wants to do when he grows up. we have a physical limit but not a mental


Nazir Da Costa Gomez That's what I said didn't I, or did I say it in papiamentu? Johnny Aguirre a little correct and a little wrong. The chance to do that like Chronicle or Star Wars is impossible, and by impossible I mean you can't just have an accident or learn telekinesis for like 3 years and levitate a car or blast people to the sky. It's possible for sure but not like we see them in movies, at a quick paste


Toby Walton u could get probed


Nazir Da Costa Gomez ESP in the other can be like that. Some people can study telepathy or clairvoyance for like 3 weeks and master it after one year. Telepathy is really strong with some people and you can be born with the ability as well. The pineal gland to some can have powerful powers since their birth. While most of us' are inactive and need to be awaken or reawaken again.


Toby Walton so a couple with strong psychic abilitities could have a child with streong abilities at birth


Nazir Da Costa Gomez An mother and her child has strong telepathic communication for example. A child can mostly finish other people sentences as well. When I was younger(and I'm sure most of you too) I could see ghosts. Our third eye was always open as a kid. If we ignored what we mostly thought(and is) real because of people we loose knowlege of such things. That's what happens to most of us


Nazir Da Costa Gomez However, if a child keeps believing in his spiritual journey he/she could get really strong. And might even start to frightning their parents into thinking they're weird ect.


Johnny Aguirre @Devin Everything Moses did was through G-d not himself. G-d split the Sea of Reeds, not Moses himself.

Jesus according to Christians was god so that's very different from being purely human.


Johnny Aguirre @Nazir It does seem like other psychic abilities can be reached to a more advanced level more quickly than with telekinesis. Telekinesis seems to be the most difficult to become good at.


Nazir Da Costa Gomez By pure psychic humans in the bible I would recommend Joseph mostly. His ability to describe dreams was something he had by himself.


Johnny Aguirre @Nazir No, Joseph didn't interpret dreams by himself. After interpreting his own dreams and the dreams of Pharaoh's servants, and then finally Pharaoh's dream, Joseph credits G-d, not himself for the interpreting:

Genesis 41:15-16: "And Pharaoh said to Joseph, "I have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter for it, but I have heard it said of you [that] you understand a dream, to interpret it." And Joseph replied to Pharaoh, saying, "Not I; G-d will give an answer [that will bring] peace to Pharaoh.""


Devin Lee Braden Johnny Aguirre: Why are you blocking out the word GOD?!! Example ( G-d )


Johnny Aguirre @Devin It's something a lot of religious Jews and religious non-Jews who believe in Judaism do.


Rinki Page I think we are bound to our "realizations" and experiences and transform in life and death accordingly, the god or g-d or goodness in us makes us better and soul-happy people than otherwise, so that makes g-d a non-figure but a consciousness and energy


Marvin Aguinaldo anyone cn be so strong like one of those on chronicle so easily if you have "anting-anting"

anting anting can be a crystal, stone, or necklace
each one has its own power nther bad or good


Johnny Aguirre @Marvin Are you talking about using magic?


Marvin Aguinaldo no its not magic

its a power\ability that transfer/m0ved to you

i think those things can only found here in philippines but n0 one is interested
:M


Marvin Aguinaldo *you can master any kinetic types in seconds

if you have one of those (anting-anting)


Johnny Aguirre What is your honest opinion on my main question Mark?
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PostSubject: Re: about the facebook group   Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:43 am

See, look at that. Thats a great topic, lengthy, meaty and should be here on the forums.

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PostSubject: Re: about the facebook group   Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:22 am

yes it is a really interesting topic but why post it here? i know this topic should have been i the other room but anyway...
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PostSubject: Re: about the facebook group   Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:18 am

I left the facebook group. The forum is much more helpful and has more people who understands these things. If necesary I can leave the forum too but I'm not expecting bad from it. Plus, now my facebook friends will stop thinking me crazy for posting telekinesis videos(they can see my posts in the group).
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PostSubject: Re: about the facebook group   Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:33 pm

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Plus, now my facebook friends will stop thinking me crazy for posting telekinesis videos(they can see my posts in the group).
i think this is the biggest problem with the fb group.
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